Power Steering Question

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Power Steering Question

By Vintage-EG
- Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:18 pm #100832 I have a 93 Si hatch and swapped out the d16 for a B16. My hatch comes with OEM powersteering and was wondering can I use the OEM power steering or do I have to get a whole B-series power steering setup and lines enable to have a full fuctioning PS option and rack? All answer would be greatly appricated. Thanks!
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By Gorveatt
- Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:25 pm #100834 the only thing you'll need is the B series pump, all lines bolt up
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By Greasedmonkey
- Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:30 pm #100865 Who needs power steering? Its useless... :woot:
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By Vintage-EG
- Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:15 pm #100878 Well becuase it's there and I have the power steering rack. Is there proper way to eliminate the lines and plug the holes. I just don't want to ruin my rack and pinion.
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By suspendedHatch
- Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:34 pm #101035 Yes there is. I believe tealdx did a great DIY for that. But I could be crazy.

Power steering is great when you have upsized rims and some serious tires. Also if you increase the caster and get a smaller steering wheel like I did.

By froshtyv
- Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:53 am #101584
Greasedmonkey wrote:Who needs power steering? Its useless... :woot:


Its a disaster using a power steering rack and running with no pump,

The car pulls left and right when changing gear,

Maybe a non power steering rack, but it still wouldnt be ideal for fast cornering!!
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By teal_dx
- Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:47 am #101632 the power racks have a slightly quicker ratio than the manuals. If you remove the lines and leave the power rack open to dirt, then it will develop steering slop over time. But by properly converting a power rack to manual, you will not have the car pulls left and right when changing gear.


Do a serch, there's a few threads about this on here :thumb:
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By zeppelin101
- Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:59 am #101664
froshtyv wrote:Maybe a non power steering rack, but it still wouldnt be ideal for fast cornering!!


Is that so? I've out cornered many a power steering equipped car at significant speeds. Mine does not have PAS.

It affects nothing other than steering feel and movability at low speeds. It's been designed so that people can be lazy and don't have to put any effort in to turning a car at low speed.
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By teal_dx
- Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:02 pm #101687 very true. unless you have big wheels/tires, power steering and manual are not much different except when turning at low speeds like when you are parking or in a driveway.

By froshtyv
- Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:44 am #101825
zeppelin101 wrote:
froshtyv wrote:Maybe a non power steering rack, but it still wouldnt be ideal for fast cornering!!


Is that so? I've out cornered many a power steering equipped car at significant speeds. Mine does not have PAS.

It affects nothing other than steering feel and movability at low speeds. It's been designed so that people can be lazy and don't have to put any effort in to turning a car at low speed.


What i meant as in fast cornering is going in and out of a turn like a slalom coarse,

Obvioulsy enough at high speeds it doesnt matter, ive ran with no power steering for a year and its a joke as a daily drive, ya you get used to it but ive ordered some a pump and some stuff to try and get it to fit,

My steering wheels is worn to shit,

By froshtyv
- Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:47 am #101826
teal_dx wrote:the power racks have a slightly quicker ratio than the manuals. If you remove the lines and leave the power rack open to dirt, then it will develop steering slop over time. But by properly converting a power rack to manual, you will not have the car pulls left and right when changing gear.


Do a serch, there's a few threads about this on here :thumb:


My rack isnt left open for dirt,

The in and out pipes are joined together,
I have heard the theory that over time they will get worn out as there is no fluid passing through it like it was designed for,
I have a certain amount of fluid in the rack but fitting a PS pump is a bit tricky,
Hopefully ill have it sorted soon though,

Do you reckon so that my rack is damaged?? its quite bad on heavy braking or on uneven ground.
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By zeppelin101
- Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:09 am #101832
froshtyv wrote:What i meant as in fast cornering is going in and out of a turn like a slalom coarse,

Obvioulsy enough at high speeds it doesnt matter, ive ran with no power steering for a year and its a joke as a daily drive, ya you get used to it but ive ordered some a pump and some stuff to try and get it to fit,

My steering wheels is worn to shit,


I've driven mine as is for two years and I much prefer it to a PAS rack any day of the week. I've driven a number of cars since with PAS and they all just feel 'wrong' once you're used to a non PAS rack. The slight increase in steering effort at low speeds (round town manoeuverability isn't affected) is something I'm personally more than happy to put up with for better steering feel at high speed.

I can only hope whatever I buy next doesn't have PAS that's too intrusive or it'll take me a long time before I'm comfortable enough to press on with it.

By froshtyv
- Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:21 am #101834
zeppelin101 wrote:
froshtyv wrote:What i meant as in fast cornering is going in and out of a turn like a slalom coarse,

Obvioulsy enough at high speeds it doesnt matter, ive ran with no power steering for a year and its a joke as a daily drive, ya you get used to it but ive ordered some a pump and some stuff to try and get it to fit,

My steering wheels is worn to shit,


I've driven mine as is for two years and I much prefer it to a PAS rack any day of the week. I've driven a number of cars since with PAS and they all just feel 'wrong' once you're used to a non PAS rack. The slight increase in steering effort at low speeds (round town manoeuverability isn't affected) is something I'm personally more than happy to put up with for better steering feel at high speed.

I can only hope whatever I buy next doesn't have PAS that's too intrusive or it'll take me a long time before I'm comfortable enough to press on with it.


I do agree that the feed back is very good without the PS. but for a daily drive it just gets a pain parking or getting out of a parking space, not sure how different a manual rack would feel??

The Standard DC5 steering is slightly heavier than normal PS found in most cars,

I think this is a nice comprimise between both, good feed back but also handy for day to day tasks,

You dont see many rally cars without PS??? :D
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By teal_dx
- Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:15 am #101850 if you just pull off the PS pulley belt, then it's really hard to turn because you're still forcing the fluid through the lines & pump.

Best way is to loop the 2 outer lines and add a breather on the middle one. Be sure to keep some fluid in the rack to keep it lubricated and it will last :thumb:
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By zeppelin101
- Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:10 am #101918
froshtyv wrote:You dont see many rally cars without PS??? :D


You don't see many race spec'd cars without PAS (read almost none) due to the horrific camber and caster angles they run which mean you'd have to be a superhero to move the wheel even at 100 :P
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