Civic-EG.com Forum 3.3.1

- Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:25 am #138680

well ummm soooo



imho k are crap

Obviously coming from someone who doesnt have one

Ya sure honda didnt know what they were at when they designed it, sure what the hell would they know about making an N/A engine,

The s2000 f20 only held the record for best bhp per tonne for a N/A at one stage, must of gotten lucky.

i have driven a few K's but i would take a D over a K anyday
this in my opinion tho

why would you take a D over a k ?


K > D any day.

K not only has more power than a D (even the Economy ones)

IMO its more power for its money...

yes D's are cheap. they are cheap for a reason.. they are made for economy. and every one's got them.. especially here in america.. almost every civic had them.

and i hear "oh i can turbo my D and make it faster than a K"
well I can throw Cams in my K and it will be faster than your turbo D
IMO D's are becoming even more Obsolete every day.

its going to become this

B's will become D's and K's will be come B's and the J's are going to become K's.. and etc...

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- Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:57 am #138689

its going to become this

B's will become D's and K's will be come B's and the J's are going to become K's.. and etc...

completely agree, and i cant wait for the day when everyone get v6 civic's.

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- Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:46 am #138716

well ummm soooo



imho k are crap

Obviously coming from someone who doesnt have one

Ya sure honda didnt know what they were at when they designed it, sure what the hell would they know about making an N/A engine,

The s2000 f20 only held the record for best bhp per tonne for a N/A at one stage, must of gotten lucky.

i have driven a few K's but i would take a D over a K anyday
this in my opinion tho

I hope when you say d that you have it turbo'd but that takes away from the whole honda idea then doesnt it.

honda idea..

N/A unless you know of a d sereise that comes with a turbo out of the factory

Honda has always been about N/A its what makes them different.

236bhp & 165lbft of torque

- Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:53 am #138721

- Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:23 pm #138723

Yes 2001 they came out in,
And they also come in the civic fd2 so lets do the math shall we,

2001 - 2009 = 8 years (nearly 9)

Like someone else said they came out with a new motor but it has not replaced the k series has it? nope,

And as for mis-shifting wtf?
If you miss shift in a b series i can guarantee you your engine will be 100% toast after.

Like i said before stock for stock a b18c Vs a k20a k wins all day long on power and torque,

So if you swap a stock k in your car its going to be faster than swapping in a stock b.

Are you stupid or just fucking blind, When did i say that they stopped making the K series? I'm well aware that the R series replaced the D series, I'm just saying if the K could have just as easily been put into the new civic's and would have been cheaper then all the R&D going into a completely new motor.

And not once did i deny the potential power of the K series, yes it can get you going, but 9 out of 10 times it's more then just plopping in a B series and putting a mile tune on it, or boost.

And yes any motor can be fucked up by a good misshift, Just seems to happen more in the K series then others. And they just aren't as reliable when swapped in a car that wasn't designed for it. Take a B18C5 and put it in a hatch and it is virtually plug and play.

Anyway i'm going to say this and this is the last thing i'm saying in here
In terms of motors Toyota > Honda all fucking day long. My next car will more then likely be a Toyota again.

Remember when Civics were cool ? Yea me neither

- Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:33 pm #138725

In terms of motors Toyota > Honda all fucking day long. My next car will more then likely be a Toyota again.

This man is highly aware! w00t toyota ftw.. I love me some xbizzle

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- Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:31 pm #138781

K ftl

D ftw

So if someone offered you a K or a D for free, you would take the D?

If someone gave a complete K swap for free, They would be lieing if they wouldn't take it.

However its if only engine/tranny and you need the rest of the stuff to swap into an EG, you need a Engine asap, And you also happen to be Broke. I can totally see people taking a free D over a K.

Thats probably the only situation it would happen in as well.

Doesn't matter as its Hypothetical anyways.

its going to become this

B's will become D's and K's will be come B's and the J's are going to become K's.. and etc...

x2 True dat.

In terms of motors Toyota > Honda all fucking day long. My next car will more then likely be a Toyota again.

I agree with almost everything you say. But Toyotas are Slow. Sure the supra is fast, then agian so is the NSX. When it comes down to it, noone makes a better engine then Honda. Noone. IMHO atleast.

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- Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:41 pm #138789

In terms of motors Toyota > Honda all fucking day long. My next car will more then likely be a Toyota again.

I agree with almost everything you say. But Toyotas are Slow. Sure the supra is fast, then agian so is the NSX. When it comes down to it, noone makes a better engine then Honda. Noone. IMHO atleast.

I have but one thing to say Non-Interference system talk to any Yota owner who's had a timing belt let go on them and ask how much repairs were

For me it was $310, that's for parts, labor, and tow to the shop. the motor had ~263,000 km's(~164,000miles) on it and it was the original belt (didn't know it wasn't replaced when i got the car)

Remember when Civics were cool ? Yea me neither

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- Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:07 pm #138816

K ftl

D ftw

So if someone offered you a K or a D for free, you would take the D?

If someone gave a complete K swap for free, They would be lieing if they wouldn't take it.

However its if only engine/tranny and you need the rest of the stuff to swap into an EG, you need a Engine asap, And you also happen to be Broke. I can totally see people taking a free D over a K.

Thats probably the only situation it would happen in as well.

Doesn't matter as its Hypothetical anyways.

if i got a k for free i would sale it and make a nice lil chunk of change
ya you guys are thinkin im on somthin for say id take a d over a k anyday
but that MY OPINION.. i really dont like to follow ppl
EVERYONE and there mothers wanna swap a B or K..

im fine with the power a d can put out.. sometimes is better to be slow and serious not fast and furious


i never hrd of honda idea
ya there is no D turboed from the factory
that dont mean shit.. wat bout the K23.. its turbod..
so thats not a honda motor???

- Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:44 pm #138829

I agree with almost everything you say. But Toyotas are Slow. Sure the supra is fast, then agian so is the NSX. When it comes down to it, noone makes a better engine then Honda. Noone. IMHO atleast.

Hate to bust your bubble but Honda's really aint that quick either.

And sure, only the JZ engines are worth a mention from Toyota

3SGTE ii? 245hp? MR2 turbo and Celica GT4? Both extremely rapid, and a GT4 would kick the tits off of any civic in a corner or on a straight, and they'll still be here in 20 years time due to the aluminium body.

The last line of Corolla with the supercharged 2zzfe was also fairly rapid - that engine lives on in Lotus' Exige S.

Who gives a shit anyway? The way it goes down these days it doesn't matter what you've got - you can just drop a new engine in anyway so this talk is completely irrelevant of "Toyota's are slow".

Toyota's have better build quality and a better image (if you give a shit about that) than any Honda. I see far more fucked up Honda's than I do Toyota's.

This talk is pointless anyway.

I've gone off both to some degree and my interests have always nominally laid elsewhere. I'll take a pre-boosted motor in a car that drives the correct wheels with cheap tuning overheads. kthxbai.

- Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:58 am #138905

K ftl

D ftw

So if someone offered you a K or a D for free, you would take the D?

If someone gave a complete K swap for free, They would be lieing if they wouldn't take it.

However its if only engine/tranny and you need the rest of the stuff to swap into an EG, you need a Engine asap, And you also happen to be Broke. I can totally see people taking a free D over a K.

Thats probably the only situation it would happen in as well.

Doesn't matter as its Hypothetical anyways.

if i got a k for free i would sale it and make a nice lil chunk of change
ya you guys are thinkin im on somthin for say id take a d over a k anyday
but that MY OPINION.. i really dont like to follow ppl
EVERYONE and there mothers wanna swap a B or K..

how would you not be following people if you had a D? every one has a D!
and b and soon.. K.


if you werent like every one else you d have a J or a 3S or SR swap... (yes Sentras and fucking sunnys have FWD/AWD SR's)

Toyotas are as fast as Hondas.

i'll be building a toyota agian pretty soon..

74 Celica GT with a 2JZ or a 91 cressida with a 2JZ

92 civic cx sold!!
horizon gray 94 LX-A wrecked :/
white 92 civic Si (traded)
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92 civic DX sold!!
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93 LS400 Midnight indigo sold!
92 civic LX sold!!
90 240sx sold!
93 faded black EX coupe

- Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:03 am #138911 Well I'm kinda on the fence on this one. I have no doubt that then in the future, K series will phase out the B series for swaps and will be probably more affordable too. But here in the present, they are a redonkclious priced. Hell you can swap in B18C5 and still have change to get a coffee, compared to getting a K20 swap.

- Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:44 am #138926

Well I'm kinda on the fence on this one. I have no doubt that then in the future, K series will phase out the B series for swaps and will be probably more affordable too. But here in the present, they are a redonkclious priced. Hell you can swap in B18C5 and still have change to get a coffee, compared to getting a K20 swap.

dude..... for the same price i actually did a Kswap and still have money

what i'm trying to get across.. is IF you Build you motor. IT will be CHEAPER.

i know you didnt read any of the post other wise you know (because i mentioned i had just under 4G's into my K build (thats haveing extra blocks and a K24 also and extra trannies!))

92 civic cx sold!!
horizon gray 94 LX-A wrecked :/
white 92 civic Si (traded)
primered 94 teg sold
92 civic DX sold!!
93 red EX coupe parted out!
93 LS400 Midnight indigo sold!
92 civic LX sold!!
90 240sx sold!
93 faded black EX coupe

- Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:56 am #138927

Yes 2001 they came out in,
And they also come in the civic fd2 so lets do the math shall we,

2001 - 2009 = 8 years (nearly 9)

Like someone else said they came out with a new motor but it has not replaced the k series has it? nope,

And as for mis-shifting wtf?
If you miss shift in a b series i can guarantee you your engine will be 100% toast after.

Like i said before stock for stock a b18c Vs a k20a k wins all day long on power and torque,

So if you swap a stock k in your car its going to be faster than swapping in a stock b.

Are you stupid or just fucking blind, When did i say that they stopped making the K series? I'm well aware that the R series replaced the D series, I'm just saying if the K could have just as easily been put into the new civic's and would have been cheaper then all the R&D going into a completely new motor.

And not once did i deny the potential power of the K series, yes it can get you going, but 9 out of 10 times it's more then just plopping in a B series and putting a mile tune on it, or boost.

And yes any motor can be fucked up by a good misshift, Just seems to happen more in the K series then others. And they just aren't as reliable when swapped in a car that wasn't designed for it. Take a B18C5 and put it in a hatch and it is virtually plug and play.

Anyway i'm going to say this and this is the last thing i'm saying in here
In terms of motors Toyota > Honda all fucking day long. My next car will more then likely be a Toyota again.

Well why dont stop writing like the tard that you are so,

You dont know fuck all about anything,
The way you've worded your previous posts dating the k series untill 2006 when they still make the fucking engine and its 09? what was that about?

How is miss shifting anything to do with an engine? you know there is a thing called a gear box that lets you select gears right?

Where is your evidence that a ksreies motor isnt reliable when swapped? your clutching at straws now,

Best thing you can do is buy a shitty toyota, they used to make good cars but they dont anymore, i had a toyota as my last car, ball of shit it was,

236bhp & 165lbft of torque

- Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:28 pm #138957 All this arguing is giving me a boner