D15, D16, D17 and Mini-Me swaps
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By Eg6H2D
#221061 Would i be able to use the AEM coils nd fire pack with the distributorless set up with my Hondata s300?
Just curious.

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By Eg6H2D
#221637 are you serious 42 views and no one can come up with an answer??.. :?
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By wnos100shot
#221668 Copyed from the AEM website:

CDI Pencil Coil

AEM’s new CDI Pencil Coils are now available! Easily allowing the conversion to coil-on-plug ignition systems, these Pencil Coils will work with aftermarket engine-management systems. Additionally, when Pencil Coils are used in high-boost, high-RPM, or high-compression racing applications, an increase in spark energy can be seen over factory smart coils.

Compatible with all standard automotive spark plugs including threaded tip style
Kit includes pencil coil, connector, connector pins, pin lock and weather seals
Available in two different lengths for optimum plug reach
Two-wire CDI compatible coil
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By flyinryan122
#221670 The OEM dizzy uses a mag reference sensor. It produces a wave pattern sorta like a heartbeat in other words its a simple high to low or low to high trigger. It produces its own current/voltage.

The triggers is what the ecu is looking for.

The TDC uses 1 trigger per revolution. Since the cam turns at 1/2 the revs of the engine, this sensor only triggers when #1 cylinder is on firing order hence the TDC designation. Motec calls this the Sync sensor.

The CKP sensor is 24 trigger per rev. Since the cam turns at 1/2 the evs of the engine, this sensor matches the 12-tooth CKF sensor used if front of the oil pump on the OBD-2 models. Motec calls this the Ref sensor.

The CYP sensor is redundant but its what Honda decided to use. It has 4 triggers per revolution. Its just another way for the engine ecu to run the vehicle in case the CKP sensor were to fail. Most standalones don't use this sensor.

The K-series use a hall effect output. Most hall effect sensors use a magnetic field that is broken with a trigger wheel. GM is very fond of using these on their crank pulleys. Hall effect sensors give a "cleaner" digital signal. They simply go high to low like an on-off switch. The voltage is usually 5,8,or 12 volts so the chance of noise interferance making a chnage in the output is slim to none and the wires don't need to be shielded. However, the K-series and other sensors that make a hall effect digital output work off a mag reference sensor that has a transistor built in that changes the output to a digital sensor.

If you want to change the setup to individual coils it can be done.

The first step is to install an OBD-2 oil pump, crank timing gear and CKF sensor and use its output for the CKP sensor input. Next install triggers on the OEM cam gears to trigger a TDC output and CYP output. That would be 1 and 4 triggers respectively.

Once that is done the dizzy will only be the cylinder selector for the spark interval. Then you will need at least either another ignition trigger for waste spark or 3 more triggers for individual coil on plug.

CBR 600/929/954 coils will work with IK20/24 Denso iridium plugs since the terminal end can be unscrewed. The coils will fit under the B-series plug wire cover but they will more than likely need a CDI like an M&W pro-14 4 channel trigger to ignite them since the coils are fairly weak along with a 4 channel igniter (or an acura legend 6 channel igniter).

Since the OEM igniter sends out a tach output, it would also be necessary to have an igniter that could have a tach output built in.

So to answer your main question, yes it could be done but I'm not so sure who would want to go thru with all that.

COPIED FROM=http://www.hondata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7759




Due to the way the stock honda ECU is, you cant do like a plug and play.
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By flyinryan122
#221672
wnos100shot wrote:Copyed from the AEM website:

CDI Pencil Coil

AEM’s new CDI Pencil Coils are now available! Easily allowing the conversion to coil-on-plug ignition systems, these Pencil Coils will work with aftermarket engine-management systems. Additionally, when Pencil Coils are used in high-boost, high-RPM, or high-compression racing applications, an increase in spark energy can be seen over factory smart coils.

Compatible with all standard automotive spark plugs including threaded tip style
Kit includes pencil coil, connector, connector pins, pin lock and weather seals
Available in two different lengths for optimum plug reach
Two-wire CDI compatible coil
Will work with after market, yes. BUt not something using the honda EC such as Hondata.



Here is more info to read. I only browsed it a bit.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1343659
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By Eg6H2D
#221761
flyinryan122 wrote:The OEM dizzy uses a mag reference sensor. It produces a wave pattern sorta like a heartbeat in other words its a simple high to low or low to high trigger. It produces its own current/voltage.

The triggers is what the ecu is looking for.

The TDC uses 1 trigger per revolution. Since the cam turns at 1/2 the revs of the engine, this sensor only triggers when #1 cylinder is on firing order hence the TDC designation. Motec calls this the Sync sensor.

The CKP sensor is 24 trigger per rev. Since the cam turns at 1/2 the evs of the engine, this sensor matches the 12-tooth CKF sensor used if front of the oil pump on the OBD-2 models. Motec calls this the Ref sensor.

The CYP sensor is redundant but its what Honda decided to use. It has 4 triggers per revolution. Its just another way for the engine ecu to run the vehicle in case the CKP sensor were to fail. Most standalones don't use this sensor.

The K-series use a hall effect output. Most hall effect sensors use a magnetic field that is broken with a trigger wheel. GM is very fond of using these on their crank pulleys. Hall effect sensors give a "cleaner" digital signal. They simply go high to low like an on-off switch. The voltage is usually 5,8,or 12 volts so the chance of noise interferance making a chnage in the output is slim to none and the wires don't need to be shielded. However, the K-series and other sensors that make a hall effect digital output work off a mag reference sensor that has a transistor built in that changes the output to a digital sensor.

If you want to change the setup to individual coils it can be done.

The first step is to install an OBD-2 oil pump, crank timing gear and CKF sensor and use its output for the CKP sensor input. Next install triggers on the OEM cam gears to trigger a TDC output and CYP output. That would be 1 and 4 triggers respectively.

Once that is done the dizzy will only be the cylinder selector for the spark interval. Then you will need at least either another ignition trigger for waste spark or 3 more triggers for individual coil on plug.

CBR 600/929/954 coils will work with IK20/24 Denso iridium plugs since the terminal end can be unscrewed. The coils will fit under the B-series plug wire cover but they will more than likely need a CDI like an M&W pro-14 4 channel trigger to ignite them since the coils are fairly weak along with a 4 channel igniter (or an acura legend 6 channel igniter).

Since the OEM igniter sends out a tach output, it would also be necessary to have an igniter that could have a tach output built in.

So to answer your main question, yes it could be done but I'm not so sure who would want to go thru with all that.

COPIED FROM=http://www.hondata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7759




Due to the way the stock honda ECU is, you cant do like a plug and play.


Why would i need to keep the stock Dizzy on there when AEM had the Speedo gear and the part that replaces the dizzy to determint engine position..
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By flyinryan122
#221762 It's the HONDA ECU that is the problem. Read through that stuff, and the links. research it more. The way the ecu triggers and signals work can't work with that AEM cam sensor and/coild on plug. You'd have to buy an AEM ems. or another type of standalone ems. Since hondata retains the stock ECU you cannot use them. Get it?
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By Eg6H2D
#221766
flyinryan122 wrote:It's the HONDA ECU that is the problem. Read through that stuff, and the links. research it more. The way the ecu triggers and signals work can't work with that AEM cam sensor and/coild on plug. You'd have to buy an AEM ems. or another type of standalone ems. Since hondata retains the stock ECU you cannot use them. Get it?


Damn. well there goes my 495.. lol. guess ill rock my s300 for now. then when it gets more serious go with AEM. the only thing is out here in MASS no one has tuned on iut yet. so Support for it will be to the meat rack and ill be alone on that aspect of it. :?
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By flyinryan122
#221785
EG6b20R wrote:
flyinryan122 wrote:It's the HONDA ECU that is the problem. Read through that stuff, and the links. research it more. The way the ecu triggers and signals work can't work with that AEM cam sensor and/coild on plug. You'd have to buy an AEM ems. or another type of standalone ems. Since hondata retains the stock ECU you cannot use them. Get it?


Damn. well there goes my 495.. lol. guess ill rock my s300 for now. then when it gets more serious go with AEM. the only thing is out here in MASS no one has tuned on iut yet. so Support for it will be to the meat rack and ill be alone on that aspect of it. :?
Honestly, I'd stick with your s300. There is really no reason to get rid of it. The guy that has been helping me with my car (Cortney Green), and i've been working for, is still on s300 and an air-to-air intercooler, Vegas IFO race October 17th, 2010 We went 9.16@154, on low boost, with a slipping clutch all of 4th gear.

We'll be in cali in a few weeks to break 8's ;)

s300 will be just fine :)
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By Eg6H2D
#221813
flyinryan122 wrote:
EG6b20R wrote:
flyinryan122 wrote:It's the HONDA ECU that is the problem. Read through that stuff, and the links. research it more. The way the ecu triggers and signals work can't work with that AEM cam sensor and/coild on plug. You'd have to buy an AEM ems. or another type of standalone ems. Since hondata retains the stock ECU you cannot use them. Get it?


Damn. well there goes my 495.. lol. guess ill rock my s300 for now. then when it gets more serious go with AEM. the only thing is out here in MASS no one has tuned on iut yet. so Support for it will be to the meat rack and ill be alone on that aspect of it. :?
Honestly, I'd stick with your s300. There is really no reason to get rid of it. The guy that has been helping me with my car (Cortney Green), and i've been working for, is still on s300 and an air-to-air intercooler, Vegas IFO race October 17th, 2010 We went 9.16@154, on low boost, with a slipping clutch all of 4th gear.

We'll be in cali in a few weeks to break 8's ;)

s300 will be just fine :)


Hell yea that's the kind of stuff i loike to hear! Good luck on the 8's. is it a single jingle also?
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By flyinryan122
#221859 Naa, GSR. 2.0L, like most Outlaw SFWD cars.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXdwkssG4Gs


My friend Justin is in the other lane
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By wnos100shot
#221891 That Hatch is BOSS! Great looking EG! :thumb: Reminds me of mine, minus the huge Turbo, cage, and a few other things. What's low boost like 26psi?

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By flyinryan122
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wnos100shot wrote:That Hatch is BOSS! Great looking EG! :thumb: Reminds me of mine, minus the huge Turbo, cage, and a few other things. What's low boost like 26psi?

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Damn nice set up man. Minus small turbo?! Looks like you have a t67 yeah? What kinda power did you make?

Low boost was 32psi, made 875hp spinning the tires on the dyno. (roller dyno)