still wont start .... (its runs again4/13!!)

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still wont start .... (its runs again4/13!!)

By drago742gtr
- Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:16 pm #109683 so after taking the head off and changin the head gasket and see that nothin is wrong, i go to set the timing and put the belt on. theni tell my friend to turn it on ....... nothing so im mad all over again, so i double check to make sure i got it set right and i notice that the skunk2 cam gear is off by ALOT


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^that wht its was at the night b4 it stopped runnin



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^ thats where it was at when i checked the timing again all the screws moved over to the right where the arrow is pointing ( i should of taken a better pic but i was just mad )


i called honda they said check the valves to see if there bent but when i had the head off and was setting it to TDC i aint see nuttin wrong neither did my friend ..... could it just be its way off timing ? im also pickin up some wires and plugs up on the way home thinkin maybe its just not gettin enough spark if ne one has any more ideas it would help thanks
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By Classiccarsrule85
- Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:49 pm #109724 well it could be way off timing but id still check for compression since being that far out you may have bent the valve a bit idk but its possible anyhow that sucks....hopefully you didnt bend anything and you are good to go i mean its so hard to tell sometimes if the valve is bent until its outa the head and next to one that isnt...but most likely you where just outa time big time lol.....but yea just on the safe side if you already have it put altogether id check for compression and you should be good if it all checks out.......

Also when you had your head off was there any visible markings on the piston tops like some of the metal showing or the carbon scuffed or something like that if so you may have bent something but still check for compression
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By drago742gtr
- Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:54 pm #109727 ima talk to the guy around the corner from me so he can help with my compression test and there were no making on the pistons i gotta spare z6 head from fresh from the shop but that was goin to be for my z6 build im workin on but thanks for the help guys :thumb: hopefully ill have her runnin again
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By d-mon
- Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:04 pm #110313 you need to tighten the bolts in you adjustable cam gear so they don't slip.
unless you milled the head or have a performance cam, you don't need an adj. cam gear. probably easier to set the cam timing with the stock gear.
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By drago742gtr
- Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:47 pm #110331 i tought the bolts were tight but when i told the boy i bough it from that its slipped he said that happend to him 2 ... so i guess he aint tighten them back up
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By drago742gtr
- Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:52 pm #110499 it started :woot: but bad bad things happend to the cam gear and cam and they will defintly need to be replaced asap the cam gear spun on the cam shaft which threw it way way off timing but i managed to get it back on and back at TDC and it started right up but i dont want to leave it on for long incase it happens again i might just put the stock cam back on but i already have another head and cam so i just need to get all the internals for it ill probly end up building that head

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By drago742gtr
- Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:28 pm #110514 yea me2 but i do gota adj the valves there hittin the piston a lil bit ( from wht i hear ) im probly goin to read the diy ina lil while and try and get it done when it stops raining
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By Punksz6
- Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:23 pm #110568 Glad u got it started but I just wondering if there was a Woodruff Key in the slot of the cam gear cause I dont see anything?? :? unless there wasn't one then there your problem for the cam gear being off timing and slipping...
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By teal_dx
- Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:01 pm #110577 I thnk I see the woodruff key in this pic:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6358/0413091701.jpg

but maybe the tolerances were off which caused it to slip :?
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By d-mon
- Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:45 pm #110603 it looks like the woodruff key was replaced by something too small or too soft to do the job.
i would use the stock cam gear for now.
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By drago742gtr
- Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:55 am #110653 yea it was there but i dont htink it was put in right .... but the cam gear an cam will most likley be changed this weekend if not 2morrow but its in there good for right now incase i gotta move the car
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By colpitts
- Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:10 am #110687 im quite positive that if you haven't done any work on the head or block (milling and decking), these cam gears are machined so that if they fail you won't wreck your head. you can see in your pic that its all the way out (20 degrees, right?) .. and you came away with no bent gear..

yeahh.. pretty sure they are made so that if/when they fail you aren't stuck replacing your head.

looks good though, :woot: .
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By drago742gtr
- Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:41 pm #110769 yea that makes alot of sence ill probly just use that extra cam as a paper weight at work lol yea it looks good for now i cant wait till i start the body work i think i might spend my tax money on a set a cf fenders if i dont decide to use that money for the rest of my turbo stuff
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