Civic EG

I know already the good thing about B series; BUT tell me whats the bad thing?
and which one is more reliable?

IDK the cons and the good from both engine..

I don't think there is anything wrong, its all on a personal opinion though. More power with B series vs better mpg with D.

B series cost more to swap in because you need mounts, axles etc.
D series stock aren't the fastest thing on the street.
So yeah its all in personal choice.

I agree with Poormans type-R

In addition. All replacement parts for B Series are more expensive then D Series. Fuel Economy on the B Series are also not as good as the D Series.

D Series are Cheap. all replacement parts are cheap. you can find parts in junkyards easier. Aftermarket parts are also much cheaper. You can build 300whp turbo monsters that sill get 30mpg.

It comes down to what you want. You can make really good power n/a on B Series. D Series are not really a good path for N/A Power. It can be done but the same work on a B Series will yield more power.

If your looking at a Turbo Path. D Series makes since as worse case sincerio the bottom ends are cheap. $50 nets you a new bottom end locally. B Series can be boosted as well but if anything goes wrong it will be more expensive to fix.

Even B Series replacement Distrubtors which have the exact same internals as D Series Distrubtor cost much more then a D Series Dizzy. The only difference is the casing and the center shaft.

Agreed, you will hardly ever (like 95% of the time) never find b series parts at your local junkyard. Its either buy OEM parts or hope you can find someone on craigslist. D series on the other hand are always at junkyards and on CL. [/code]

poorman type-r wrote:Agreed, you will hardly ever (like 95% of the time) never find b series parts at your local junkyard. Its either buy OEM parts or hope you can find someone on craigslist. D series on the other hand are always at junkyards and on CL. [/code]

this is only partially true. there are just as many integras in the junk yards as civic and integras only came with b's. yes there are more plenty full amounts of d parts however both are easily obtainable.

also on that note, a d-series is going to out last a b-series anyday in any condition. i see wayyyyyy more sohc motors with 300k on them getting beat to shit everyday than i see b-series with 180k on them.

a d-series wont be as fast in some cases however i have yet to see a b16a beat a z6 stock for stock. the b18s are a different story

I think it would have to do with the driver of both cars. I see the z6 taking it for a bit but the b series pulling away once its in 3rd. That's just my opinion though.

93hatcheg wrote:

poorman type-r wrote:Agreed, you will hardly ever (like 95% of the time) never find b series parts at your local junkyard. Its either buy OEM parts or hope you can find someone on craigslist. D series on the other hand are always at junkyards and on CL. [/code]

this is only partially true. there are just as many integras in the junk yards as civic and integras only came with b's. yes there are more plenty full amounts of d parts however both are easily obtainable.

Locally there are much more Civics in the Junkyards then Integras. Even then if you have a B16 or b18c and want head parts or a dizzy You will have a hell of a time finding an obd1 GSR Teggy. Only 10% of Teggys sold in the US where GSR's(10 % of that 10% were Sexy GSR Sedans) thus meaning that You will have a much harder time finding B Series vtec parts in the junkyard.

I also agree on the Strength of D Series. I spray'd and railed the piss out of my D16z6 in my EJ1. It had 240k On it when I got it. Finally got rod knock at 269k. 29 thousand miles of very very hard driving on an old engine. If you dont go over 250hp at the crank they can very reliable little engines.

I have only had low mileage(under 100K usdm low miles yo) B Series and rarely had issues. However I know when I did I kicked myself for buying B series when I had to buy replacement parts. The feeling normally left when I started driving it again.

Also if your going B Series dont waste your time on a B16. They are slow. Stock Z6's with I/H/E are Faster then them. If your going B Get a B18b and a b16 tranny and your car will be quick. the B18c is a nice engine, however for the extra money you can turbo the b18b and be even quicker.

93hatcheg wrote:

poorman type-r wrote:Agreed, you will hardly ever (like 95% of the time) never find b series parts at your local junkyard. Its either buy OEM parts or hope you can find someone on craigslist. D series on the other hand are always at junkyards and on CL. [/code]

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a d-series wont be as fast in some cases however i have yet to see a b16a beat a z6 stock for stock. the b18s are a different story

chrono404 wrote:

93hatcheg wrote:

poorman type-r wrote:Agreed, you will hardly ever (like 95% of the time) never find b series parts at your local junkyard. Its either buy OEM parts or hope you can find someone on craigslist. D series on the other hand are always at junkyards and on CL. [/code]

this is only partially true. there are just as many integras in the junk yards as civic and integras only came with b's. yes there are more plenty full amounts of d parts however both are easily obtainable.

Also if your going B Series dont waste your time on a B16. They are slow. Stock Z6's with I/H/E are Faster then them. If your going B Get a B18b and a b16 tranny and your car will be quick. the B18c is a nice engine, however for the extra money you can turbo the b18b and be even quicker.

chrono404 wrote:

93hatcheg wrote:

poorman type-r wrote:
Also if your going B Series dont waste your time on a B16. They are slow. Stock Z6's with I/H/E are Faster then them. If your going B Get a B18b and a b16 tranny and your car will be quick. the B18c is a nice engine, however for the extra money you can turbo the b18b and be even quicker.

like i said it really doesnt matter on the driver ha. i myself in personally have beatin 3 b16s in my d16z6 and can say that chrono is correct, a b16 doesnt pull on a z6 in 3rd gear no matter who the driver is.

a b16 is basically good for saying "i got a b-series" unless you plan on doing some major upgrades not bolt ons.

as for finding parts i will agree that finding b-series vtec parts is harder and wayyyy more expensive. when i said its easy to find integras i ment ls integras.

if you go B-series get a b18 or b20 no b16 crud ha.

a drag race has everything to do with how you drive, speed shifting, double clutching, your launch, when and how fast you shift. A girl, yes girl ran a bone stock 99 Honda Civic Si and hit 13's. No z6 with I/H/E can do this and i will put money on it.

I dont even understand what the guy above me just said
Whatever dude

I will be biased
Ive seen D series put out a lot of power
It seem like people have slowly made them respectable
But yet a lot of people still degrade them

I believe they come out to be more reliable as well
Reliable also in the sense that fixing them is no sweat or headache
I really dont care too much about B series
If im goin dohc im gettin an H22...an engine made for high performance

poorman type-r wrote:a drag race has everything to do with how you drive, speed shifting, double clutching, your launch, when and how fast you shift. A girl, yes girl ran a bone stock 99 Honda Civic Si and hit 13's. No z6 with I/H/E can do this and i will put money on it.

I wont waste my time looking online for a video of a D series doing that. Although I'm sure someone on all of the internets, there is a video of someone doing that.

Would you recommond to the OP that He should get a b16 swap? Is it the best value for his money doing so?

He wanted to know the pros/cons of B series. The Con of the b16 is in stock trim it is slow and not worth the time to swap/money to swap into your car IMO. I have had b16's I have driven friends B16's and have to concur they are slow.

For the money of a B16 swap, you can easily get a B18b or b20b/z, and a b16 transmission. Which will easily stomp out any I/H/E D Series, or heck even a straight up b16 swap for that matter.

My Stock JDM B20/Em1 B16 tranny + I/H/E Kill B18c GSR swapped EG's, and GSR DC's, It killed a few Turbo D's as well. Will a Stock b16 w/ I/H/E do any of the above? Not a chance

You also get the benefit of having a Non-Vtec B Series where finding junkyard parts is a possibility and our not forced to buy everything brand new when your pockets a bit thin.

This is why we Recomended to not waste time on B16 swaps as they are simply not worth the Time, Nor the money to swap into your EG.

Even if you got the swap for Free, you can throw the b16 engine on Craigslist, get 900 for it, easily by a nice b18b or b20, possibly even a fresh JDM one, Reuse the rest of the swap and be better off.

Here is a good read for sticking with the D

http://www.d-series.org/forums/engine-building/21761-building-powerful-street-na-d16y8-z6.html

It all depends on personal preference.

I agree with you chrono all I was saying is that when you two were saying a z6 will stomp a b16 I said its all in the driver and explained why.

D series are incredibly reliable, yes. Are they going to be the street eating machine if you don't have much money? No.

In my opinion a GSR would be the best swap, or how you were saying the non vtec motor,especially for the torque.

If anybody else would like to debate this subject feel free to say something.