My entire turbo setup, what do you think? (pic)

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My entire turbo setup, what do you think? (pic)

By teal_dx
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:55 pm #16859 It's about that time to install this stuff :woot:
Before I tear into my car, I want to be sure I have everything I need.
This is my first turbo setup so I want to see what the vetrans think of my setup:
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Garret T3 Super 60 turbo
Spoolin 2.5" downpipe
2.5" stainless flex section
2.5" flange - need to buy
2.5" to 3" test pipe
3" Thermal R&D catback
HF cast manifold
HF manifold adaptor plate
Oil line from turbo to oil pan
Oil pan with oil line drain bung
3 ft oil line from sandwich plate to turbo
Oil Restrictor - need to buy???
JRC FMIC
2.5" IC piping, couplers, T clamps
HKS knockoff BOV
BOV flange (not pictured)
DSM 450cc Injectors
Resistor Box
Walbro 255 LPH Fuel Pump
Motorola 2.5 Bar MAP sensor
Intake charge pipe - need to fabricate
K&N filter - need to buy
Autometer AF ratio gauge (not for tuning)
Autometer Boost Gauge
Autometer Pyrometer Gauge
Autometer Oil pressure Gauge
P28 chipped w/ CROME

Do I have everything listed that I should need?
I have no experience in tuning, no wideband, and no pc laptop...
so I'm going to leave the tuning to a shop :thumb:
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By ChicagoMike
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:58 pm #16861 Here's what I think.......

You're gonna have a f**king blast driving that car. :woot:

Just get those misc parts and pieces and it looks like you're ready!
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By vtec_gloucester
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:59 pm #16862 i have basic knowledge when it comes to turbo set up's...

so all im gunna say is that it looks good and hurry up and get it fitted :thumb:
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By projecthonda
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:12 pm #16868 awesome!

goodluck on your project man! :thumb:
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By york62
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:05 pm #16876 i would say you have everything, as for the oil restrictor...I never bought one and i guess i kinda got lucky. but my flange the the oil feed line attached to the turbo with had a built in restrictor. so maybe you should do some reading. you dont wanna blow the seals in the turbo the first week now do we!

also i dont see an oil take off, do you have one. this is the one i bought!
http://tunertoys.zoovy.com/product/OTODK
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By stefan
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:15 pm #16920 Looking good, but in the near future I would get a 3" downpipe, you need to get rid of those evil exhaustgasses pretty damn quick voor maximum fun ;)

Also, a better turbo manifold would increase your fun a lot.
A SSAC will do, all you have to do is making sure you reinforce the thing better, and make sure not all of the weight of the kit hangs on the t/m.
Given time, that will destroy any manifold.

And like york62 said, read up on oillines, pretty important to have the right sizes for turbo durability.

For now, looking good man!
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By york62
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:22 pm #16925
stefan wrote:Looking good, but in the near future I would get a 3" downpipe, you need to get rid of those evil exhaustgasses pretty damn quick voor maximum fun ;)

Also, a better turbo manifold would increase your fun a lot.
A SSAC will do, all you have to do is making sure you reinforce the thing better, and make sure not all of the weight of the kit hangs on the t/m.
Given time, that will destroy any manifold.

And like york62 said, read up on oillines, pretty important to have the right sizes for turbo durability.

For now, looking good man!


i was thinking the same thing about the manifold but didn't say anything... that is another thing that will hold you back from making over 200 hp on stock!
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By teal_dx
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:26 pm #16928 The future plan is to convert the turbo to external wastgate, and upgrade to a tubular manifold, along with a new 3" DP. And then crank up the boost :twisted:
But this setup was much cheaper to put together and will keep me happy for a couple years until I can do the above and beef up the drivetrain to handle it.

Right now, the internal wastegate is the bottleneck in my setup, but I might as well upgrade everything at once.
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By teal_dx
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:29 pm #16930
york62 wrote:i was thinking the same thing about the manifold but didn't say anything... that is another thing that will hold you back from making over 200 hp on stock!


so the HF manifold going to restrict me to ~200 HP? I had not read anything about them being that bad. :?
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By york62
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:36 pm #16936 well i mean anything really over 200hp... i'm just going by what my tuner had told me.
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By york62
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:42 pm #16941 turbo manifold makes a huige difference in the flow of the setup...of course.
This is full-race's manifold test.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFjuBEUE-qg
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By stefan
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:36 pm #16952
teal_dx wrote:The future plan is to convert the turbo to external wastgate, and upgrade to a tubular manifold, along with a new 3" DP. And then crank up the boost :twisted:

Good choice :)

But this setup was much cheaper to put together and will keep me happy for a couple years until I can do the above and beef up the drivetrain to handle it.

You might wanna replace the word 'years' with 'months' or even 'weeks' :lol:

Right now, the internal wastegate is the bottleneck in my setup, but I might as well upgrade everything at once.

I think the internal w/g causes you to run lower pressure, but the turbo manifold isn't helping as well.
Look at it man, it's as restrictive as it gets ;)
When driving around f/i, there is almost no tech involved in the exhaust system, other than 'you want to get rid of exhaust gasses ASAP'.
That means that it should be big enough to dump enough exhaust gasses, but not so big that it causes gigantic lag, because the turbo won't spool fast enough (also depending of your turbinehouse size).
I mentioned the SSAC manifold, but a cheap and simple home made log-style is maybe even a better choice (as long as the w/g is positioned right).

But all that is for later, what you have now will make it run :)
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By teal_dx
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:42 pm #16953 You always want to get the exhaust gasses away from the turbo as fast as possible. But wouldn't a smaller manifold get the exhaust gasses to the turbo faster than a bigger one, meaning less turbo lag & faster spool? Obviously this only makes sense to a certain extent such as a small turbo, not a huge top end monster turbo. And even then some HP is lost as the ports are not as large.

Not saying it's fact, just something I read somewhere.
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By stefan
- Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:59 pm #16961 I see what you mean, but it's only wrong in this little bit;
your manifold is s? small, it has not a single benefit over a slightly larger manifold.

Gasses away from the turbo ASAP is true, a guy here had a turboed D15.
these are the specs;
* D16z2, 1.6i sohc mpfi (stock, OBD0)
* APE Custom intake piping 60mm
* APE Custom downpipe 60mm
* APE Custom exhaust 2,5"
* APE Logstyle manifold
* Garrett T3 turbo .42/.48
* Internal wastegate @ 9 psi
* Ford Mondeo FMIC
* Bosch blowoff
* DSM 390cc injectors
* Walbro intank fuelpump 255lph hp


Open header; 185hp
With exhaustsytem; 165hp
That's kind of what you could expect with the manifold you have;
It will make power this way, but bigger=better.
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