Civic-EG.com Forum 3.3.1

- Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:12 am #252346 my friend drive a dd civic eg sedan powered by 1.6 sohc non vtec. he thinkin gettin those Bisimoto cam. not sure stage 1 or 2. Just want to know will the cam work (cam only). should he get other thing to such springs .. etc... he only have budget for the cam. we not living in the U.S , so just to make sure he's buying the right thing.. btw does the cam effect fuel consumption?.

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[Ajax1989]

- Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:16 am #252347 with the lvl1 id get the cam and cam gear, you dont need anything like the springs and such

lvl2 and up i believe bisi recommends spings and retainers etc..

- Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:32 am #252351

with the lvl1 id get the cam and cam gear, you dont need anything like the springs and such

lvl2 and up i believe bisi recommends spings and retainers etc..

cam and cam gear. that 2 item . will it work if just cam only. thanks for the reply

slow rider not low rider

- Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:47 pm #252456 Simple answer ... yes.

Real answer. You can run the cam without the cam gear but to get the most out of it you will want to have it. Since the cam profile on the bisi cam is going to be different than the stock one, the relative position to TDC (or 0 timing) to make optimal power is going to be different. This is why when you get an aftermarket cam an adjustable cam gear is ALWAYS a sound investment. It won't cost you a whole lot more and it will allow you to extract the most performance from the add on. It is entirely possible that without the cam gear you could lose power having the cam at the TDC position for the stock cam.

In addition, to really get the most out of the cam it would be a good idea to get the ECU chipped and have someone tune it. While this step is not completely necessary if you want to get any real gains out of the cam the fuel and timing maps should be adjusted to match the new cam profile.


My advice ... if he's dead set on the cam, keep saving a bit longer and get a cam gear. Otherwise, if this is a DD and he just want a little extra oomph stick with the basics I/H/E anything beyond that and things start gettting complicated. Once you start adding other things, there is a lot more to take into account to maintain a good synergy between all the power adders to actually get good results (more power).

Straight lines are for sissies.

- Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:30 pm #252496 its getting clear to me now. Thanks.

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[suspendedHatch]

- Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:51 am #252718 The cam gear is useless if you don't have a dyno to tune it on.

- Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:47 am #252739 if the item is purchase outside U.S will it come with instruction to dyno/tune it?

slow rider not low rider

- Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:43 pm #252788 First things first. Do you know what a dyno is?

In simple terms a dyno is something used to measure how much power is coming out of the car. There are a couple of ways that they work one style uses drums that the wheels roll up onto and then the car is cinched down to ensure that it doesn't move, the wheels are then used to rotate these drums and the readings come out in WHP numbers. The other type that I can think of off the top of my head is a hub dyno, where the wheel hubs are actually bolted to the machine and then a similar process ensues, once again giving you a WHP reading.


Now that that's out of the way. These machines are usually owned by shops that do tuning. The reason you want one is that by adjusting the cam gear and making "pulls" on the dyno you can determine the best offset (advanced or retarded) for the cam.

If you want to get further into it a chipped ECU and some tuning software would be your next step. If you are getting the car dyno tuned, the shop may be able to hook you up with a chipped ECU (or chip yours for you) and tune it for you as well. This will allow you or the tuner to adjust the fuel and timing curves to get the most out of your cam.


It is possible that you may be able to rent the dyno by the hour and tune it yourself if you fell comfortable doing that (it all depends on the shop).

The product itself will not come with instructions on how to tune. The manufacturers assume one of two things either (a) you have having it installed by a professional who knows what they are doing, or (b) you will be installing it yourself and you feel that you know what you are doing.

Straight lines are for sissies.

- Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:00 am #252919 thanks for the reply guys. My friend really need to think all the other stuff before buying cam. the reason he wanting to buy this online is cause the price here maybe 2-3 times higher. Some shop here say free tuning but maybe all additional cost have been included. Maybe he should email people from Bisimoto to know any additional works needed before buying.

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