What motor?!

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What motor?!

By Skyu_Ivy
- Thu May 24, 2007 7:37 pm #8722 Alright.. I have a lot more work to do to my car before i would bother buying a swap for it but just for curosity i was wondering what engine would be better in the long run.

B16 from an sirII 2200 full swap 170hp 120ft/lbs
B18c1 2900$ Full swap 170hp 135ft/lbs
ls/vtec i heard they can be built for 1700 ??hp ??ft/lbs

I don't know what the future will hold modification wise. But lets just assume turbo w/built internals
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By ChicagoMike
- Thu May 24, 2007 7:45 pm #8723 If you plan on going boost in the future......B18c1>all. :thumb:
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By Skyu_Ivy
- Thu May 24, 2007 8:01 pm #8725 That is that i was thinking... i guess i had better start saving my pennies lol

By chicken rapp
- Thu May 24, 2007 8:27 pm #8736
AddictiveAllMotor wrote:If you plan on going boost in the future......B18c1>all. :thumb:


That is your personal opinion, and I (for one) disagree. If you are going for a good steady mid level power figure, a stock GSR (B18C1) is easily good for ~350fwhp. I know people who have done in this range and still managed to daily drive the car, and this was on stock internals (w/exception of a Cometic HG and ARP studs). If you want big numbers, it can really be achieved with any motor you care to put enough money into. Though it is not a common platform to start with, a local here had (at one time) the highest horsepower B16 in the country (I believe it was somewhere around 640/400). That was still use the B16 block with a displacement of 1.75. There is also numerous people using ITR longblocks w/boost and making huge numbers, both with stock internals and beefed up bottom ends. I can keep going on about each different motor, and each different setup, but ultimately it just goes back to one thing... how much money do you want to spend in the end, and how fast do you want to go?

And in case you don't know... high compression + boost = wet dreams. Don't ever let someone tell you that you can't boost a motor with more than 10-11:1 compression. Those people are just too pussy, and don't care to spend the money on fuel and tuning.

BTW, that was all a big ramble, so I have no clue if any of it makes sense, hahahaha.

Do me a favor, answer these questions-->

Is this your first swapped car?
Do you have another form of transportation?
How soon do you plan on building the motor?
Do you plan for boost before or after a build?
How much do you want to spend initially on the swap?
How much do you want to spend on building/boosting afterwards?

Personally, I say go with the B16 for now, and put the extra money towards an LS shortblock to start building on the side. This eliminated a lot of downtime for your car while you're building the motor, plus they are cheaper than the GSR blocks, and when both are built (assuming you properly run all the essentials for an LSVTEC setup), both will make great power numbers.
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By ChicagoMike
- Thu May 24, 2007 8:50 pm #8741
chicken rapp wrote:
AddictiveAllMotor wrote:If you plan on going boost in the future......B18c1>all. :thumb:


That is your personal opinion, and I (for one) disagree. If you are going for a good steady mid level power figure, a stock GSR (B18C1) is easily good for ~350fwhp. I know people who have done in this range and still managed to daily drive the car, and this was on stock internals (w/exception of a Cometic HG and ARP studs). If you want big numbers, it can really be achieved with any motor you care to put enough money into. Though it is not a common platform to start with, a local here had (at one time) the highest horsepower B16 in the country (I believe it was somewhere around 640/400). That was still use the B16 block with a displacement of 1.75. There is also numerous people using ITR longblocks w/boost and making huge numbers, both with stock internals and beefed up bottom ends. I can keep going on about each different motor, and each different setup, but ultimately it just goes back to one thing... how much money do you want to spend in the end, and how fast do you want to go?

And in case you don't know... high compression + boost = wet dreams. Don't ever let someone tell you that you can't boost a motor with more than 10-11:1 compression. Those people are just too pussy, and don't care to spend the money on fuel and tuning.

BTW, that was all a big ramble, so I have no clue if any of it makes sense, hahahaha.

Do me a favor, answer these questions-->

Is this your first swapped car?
Do you have another form of transportation?
How soon do you plan on building the motor?
Do you plan for boost before or after a build?
How much do you want to spend initially on the swap?
How much do you want to spend on building/boosting afterwards?

Personally, I say go with the B16 for now, and put the extra money towards an LS shortblock to start building on the side. This eliminated a lot of downtime for your car while you're building the motor, plus they are cheaper than the GSR blocks, and when both are built (assuming you properly run all the essentials for an LSVTEC setup), both will make great power numbers.


Decent points made. :thumb:

I didnt see the built motor part, so in that case........either one would be a good choice. It all lies in the build. :thumb:
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By asianrob
- Thu May 24, 2007 10:21 pm #8754 B20 vtec :D
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By chnzgoofball
- Thu May 24, 2007 11:53 pm #8762 its all on what u want!! IMHO i would go b18c1 more torque from the start but a good point on the higher comp any car is really boostable its all on the tune
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By ohDirka
- Fri May 25, 2007 2:32 am #8768 I'd have to agree with getting a b16 for now. thats what i am currently doing for my crx. but ill be putting the b18 in my eg. i dont have a prob with b16's. Rice2Nice has a crx with a b16 and it ran 13.4 in the 1/4 and it doesnt have anything done to it besides headers and a apex'i vtec controller. so the b16 still has plenty of power to have some fun
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By Skyu_Ivy
- Fri May 25, 2007 1:07 pm #8788 Thanks for the information!

Is this your first swapped car?
Yes
Do you have another form of transportation?
Yes
How soon do you plan on building the motor?
~1year
Do you plan for boost before or after a build?
after
How much do you want to spend initially on the swap?
~2500
How much do you want to spend on building/boosting afterwards?
Probably whatever it takes to get decent numbers. I will be collecting parts to build and turbo it as i do ~2500?!
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By ChicagoMike
- Fri May 25, 2007 2:04 pm #8792
D15kid wrote:I'd have to agree with getting a b16 for now. thats what i am currently doing for my crx. but ill be putting the b18 in my eg. i dont have a prob with b16's. Rice2Nice has a crx with a b16 and it ran 13.4 in the 1/4 and it doesnt have anything done to it besides headers and a apex'i vtec controller. so the b16 still has plenty of power to have some fun



That car must be gutted to like 1600 pounds.
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By chnzgoofball
- Fri May 25, 2007 5:32 pm #8821
AddictiveAllMotor wrote:
D15kid wrote:I'd have to agree with getting a b16 for now. thats what i am currently doing for my crx. but ill be putting the b18 in my eg. i dont have a prob with b16's. Rice2Nice has a crx with a b16 and it ran 13.4 in the 1/4 and it doesnt have anything done to it besides headers and a apex'i vtec controller. so the b16 still has plenty of power to have some fun



That car must be gutted to like 1600 pounds.


x2 cuz my boy has a jdm b16 in his crx with ctr cams, headers, intake and ran a low 14 and his was gutted semi gutted
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By -EJ1- COUPE
- Fri May 25, 2007 5:51 pm #8828 i think personal choice but if your goning to build it do it right the first time you dont wana have to do everything all over again. goodluck my friend

By chicken rapp
- Fri May 25, 2007 9:57 pm #8847
Skyu_Ivy wrote:Thanks for the information!

Is this your first swapped car?
Yes
Do you have another form of transportation?
Yes
How soon do you plan on building the motor?
~1year
Do you plan for boost before or after a build?
after
How much do you want to spend initially on the swap?
~2500
How much do you want to spend on building/boosting afterwards?
Probably whatever it takes to get decent numbers. I will be collecting parts to build and turbo it as i do ~2500?!


Really, I'm going to recommend staying with a B16 no matter what. If you plan to build, it can actually save you money in the long run by using a PR3 B16 head (flows better than a GSR), which you will initially already have. However, since you do have a second form of transportation, therefore making downtime irrelevant, it's really just a decision you have to make. Both a good motors, one will cost a little less now, and a little more down the road (B16), and one will be more initially but won't involve the purchase of a second block a year from now.

And mind you, my turbo setup alone ran me about 3300+ tuning, just to give you an idea as far as what you plan to spend in the future.
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By ohDirka
- Fri May 25, 2007 11:58 pm #8851
chnzgoofball wrote:
AddictiveAllMotor wrote:
D15kid wrote:I'd have to agree with getting a b16 for now. thats what i am currently doing for my crx. but ill be putting the b18 in my eg. i dont have a prob with b16's. Rice2Nice has a crx with a b16 and it ran 13.4 in the 1/4 and it doesnt have anything done to it besides headers and a apex'i vtec controller. so the b16 still has plenty of power to have some fun



That car must be gutted to like 1600 pounds.


x2 cuz my boy has a jdm b16 in his crx with ctr cams, headers, intake and ran a low 14 and his was gutted semi gutted


sorry i meant 14.4
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By stefan
- Sat May 26, 2007 2:43 am #8863 :thumb: to chicken rapp!

My opinion;
If you're planning on building and boosting an engine, I'd buy a B16a2 right away.
Just buy another shortblock wich you can build entirely to your specs and take all the time you need.
And collect a few items for the head, like springs and retainers, the works.

When you're ready to bolt a head on the build shortblock, take the head of you're B16, build it further and put it all together.
I'm no enginebuilder, but that is what I would do.

But, if you're planning on an unbuild engine, and put a turbo on it, go B18 non-Type R (non-Type R is a little beefier, so it can hold a little more when you're not building).
I'm going that way, and I also think that torque is something you want along with all the horses, great for daily driving.
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